Note: This is long. Sorry. Get a cup of coffee and settle in.
What am I crazy?!?! I can already see it now. I'm going to get so much hate mail. It is interesting in photography how we have so much brand loyalty to the point where people will call you interesting non-Christian names when you choose a brand that is different from their choice. So in advance, to all the Olympus shooters that are going to call me a traitor and all the Canon shooters that are thinking Olympus is trash (and all Nikon shooters that think I've missed the boat entirely), just remember you don't have to agree with me and the sky isn't falling just because I'm sharing an opinion.
Good, now that we've cleared that up here is a little background. My first dslr was a Panasonic L1. I chose the L1 mostly because my first 'serious' camera was a Panasonic FZ50 superzoom, which I liked and when I became serious about photography I went with what was familiar. Plus I was enchanted by the Leica looks of the Panasonic camera and the functionality of the shutter speed dial and aperture rings on lenses (I still prefer that setup over anything I have now). When I outgrew the L1 I had a stable of very good lenses and financially it didn't make a lot of sense to jump brands. Panasonic had put out the L10, but I wasn't impressed so I started eying up the Olympus E3 as it shared the four thirds mount and was truly a professional camera. I had been considering throwing my hat in the crowded arena of professional photography, and with the E3 I thought I would get legitimacy and pro quality. Little did I know that Canon and Nikon shooters would think I had bought a useless toy.
So in all fairness I didn't really choose the E3 so much as pick it as a logical upgrade. I quickly entered into many different types of photography including shooting for the local newspaper, portraits, weddings, products, commercial events and kept up my hobby photography as well. At some point in my professional development I decided to narrow my focus and stick with only weddings, portraits and events (as well as occasional newspaper work if it suited my fancy) and I started noticing the shortcomings of my equipment in dark indoor areas when shooting weddings and events. At that point I started considering my options. I figured that shooting ISO 3200 clean would be helpful and Olympus was quiet about whether they would replace the E3, seeming to concentrate on micro four thirds. Panasonic had exited the dslr game completely. I came to the reluctant conclusion that I needed a full frame sensor and would have to start acquiring lenses of a different brand. I considered Nikon, Sony and Canon and I wanted a camera that filled the holes where the E3 was weak, namely high ISO and resolution. Nikon was the king of high ISO as far as I could tell, but the 12 mp limit of its D3 (the D3X wasn't out yet) didn't give me the resolution advantage that I thought I might at times need. I also considered that with a full frame sensor I wouldn't get much reach with my lenses any longer and would need to crop relentlessly which wouldn't be great starting out at 12mp. The Sony A900 was tempting but I didn't think it gave much, if any, of an ISO improvement over the Olympus camera. That left me with the Canon 5D mk II which I thought was an economical alternative the the 1Ds mkIII. And that started my life as a bi-brand photographer and had me using both the Olympus E3 and Canon 5D mk II on a regular basis. They share a bag, share jobs, and their files get processed by me side by side every week.
After I bought the Canon 5D mk II I mentioned it to a hobbiest photographer I know and happened to mention that I still liked my Olympus E3. He immediately went on this rant about how it was about time I switched and passionately told me that once I got used to the 5D I'd see what a piece of trash the E3 was. I hope he doesn't read this because I'm about to burst his bubble.
So, this article is about what I see as the real life, working photographer nuts and bolts advantages to both sytems, the Olympus and Canon cameras. I'm certainly a gear geek, but this isn't about test charts and dynamic range tests that nobody understands. For that you can go to a dozen techno-geek websites. If you are a Canon shooter and are curious at all about alternatives, or an Olympus shooter that has been eying up the mighty green grass on the other side of the fence then I intend this blog post to be about my real life working impressions as I myself make the switch.
Build Quality:
This is going to be a slam dunk win for Olympus. It is much much more robust than the 5D mk II from Canon. Canon might argue that the 5D was never meant to compete with a professional camera on build quality and the E3 should be compared to its 1D series and they'd be right except that the 5D series is heavily used by pro's and the 1D series is about 4 times the cost of an Olympus E3 when they were brand new on the market. The 5D mk II is about double the cost of the Olympus. The E3 feels more robust, better built (all subjective) and from a user that has had one for a couple years I can vouch for its weather seals and ability to stand up to constant use and abuse. The 5D benefits from some weather sealing as well, but I leave mine at home on rainy days. In fact today I have an assignment to shoot a parade for the newspaper and given that it is raining, the choice of gear is easy. I'll give credit to Canon that its eyepiece rubber cup is much better than that on the Olympus. The E3 one tends to slide on and off too easy and I've lost one already. Canon cheaps out though and doesn't include a hot shoe cover for its camera. The moveable lcd screen on the Olympus seems like a natural weak point, but I haven't had any trouble with mine and I like that I can flip it backwards to protect the screen against the body when not in use. The battery door and CF card door on the 5D feel flimsy and breakable.
I've put the E3 in snow, on ice, used it in rain, gotten it dirty and dusty and it never missed a beat. The Canon impresses with good build quality, but not amazing build quality, and not near E3 build quality.
Handling:
The lcd screen on the Canon is much larger, much brighter, and much more detailed. It wins hands down. Both have small information lcd screens on the top of the camera. The Olympus rear screen can move and rotate though so for live view product shooters on a tripod that might be a huge advantage, but not for me.
Both cameras have plenty of buttons and dials for getting at controls like ISO and white balance quickly without menu diving. Canon's menu system is easier to use and understand. Olympus improved their menu's by allowing the user to change some settings from the lcd info screen. I prefer the dual dial setup on the Olympus over the single dial in front and big flat wheel on the back of the Canon, but I suspect many will disagree with me. The Olympus also has an easy to get at auto exposure lock button. The Canon uses a joystick like thing on the back to move between menus and the Olympus uses arrow buttons. Both work well. Overall I'm more comfortable with knowing my Olympus buttons but I can honestly say that is because I've used the camera for a very long time for many thousands of photos. The Canon is laid out better and will have a shorter learning curve.
Memory Cards: The Canon has one CF card slot which is accessed by a rather flimsy door. The Olympus uses a single CF card slot as well as a secondary XD card slot. XD cards are terrible. They are slow and don't hold much information, but Olympus gets huge points for having dual card slots here. Canon must leave this out on purpose to encourage upgrades to its 1D series camera, but that is pretty lame.
Grip and feel: Both cameras have nice grip and feel to them. They feel great in the hand, are well balanced and have curves and rubber grips in all the right places. Both cameras are similar in size and weight. This is honestly a tie.
Viewfinder: Both are nice and bright. Both make it easy to see information on the bottom of the viewfinder. The Olympus gets a slight edge as it has the 100% field of view.
Flash: The flash system on the E3 is better. Much better. It has built in wireless TTL flash that works very well and that seals the deal for me. I understand that that has been incorporated in the 7D though. I will say that the build quality of the Canon flash is much better (I can't figure out why the Olympus flashes aren't weather sealed and the Canon one is).
Image stabilization: Simply put, I prefer it in camera like Olympus, Pentax and Sony have it. I've tried both, and buying it in each lens (and weirdly enough Canon doesn't have it in most of their lenses anyway) is expensive and presents no advantage to me.
General Use:
Sports photography isn't something I do a lot of anymore but each camera wins here for different things. The Olympus 2x crop factor is pretty nice for outdoor sports (I still prefer the crop sensor for framing subjects, it is just what I am used to) where you need all the reach you can get. There is no need typically for high ISO's when shooting outdoors so the Canon doesn't present a big advantage there. Yes you can crop in the 21 mp files of the Canon and get the same resolution as the 10 mp Olympus files, but I find that makes it harder to frame while in use, framing for a crop. The Olympus shoots 5 frames per second which is a big advantage over the roughly 3 frames per second of the Canon. The Olympus focuses well with its SWD lenses, but otherwise the Canon is generally faster to focus when using continuous autofocus and a dead heat tie otherwise. For indoor sports you just can't get around the high ISO advantage of the Canon. It makes it much easier to achieve faster shutter speeds when you can crank your ISO up to 3200 or 6400 vs the 1250 I limit myself to on the E3 due to image quality issues. So if you are strictly an outdoor sports shooter, then I'd say the Olympus has the advantage, but indoors the advantage swings firmly over to Canon. As a final note I will say that the Canon gets a shallower depth of field due to its sensor size, and this can be both good and bad for sports. Sometimes you want to really blur out the crowd behind an athlete which is great, other times you want more than one player in focus and the shallow depth of field hurts. It is times like this when you have to close down your aperture and raise your ISO that the Olympus shines over the Canon and the DOF advantage is actually a disadvantage. Also, the built in image stabilization of the Olympus comes into play here if you don't use a monopod for sports and you don't have an image stabilized lens.
Portrait photography is an area where I think I would have been happy to stay with Olympus. At first glance you might consider that the Canon's shallow depth of field is a huge advantage, but the Olympus gets great shallow depth of field when needed and the only Canon advantage would be the ability to have such a narrow depth of field that you would have only an eyelash in focus and nothing else which doesn't often make for a saleable image. The Olympus file size is fine for even large prints, I rarely print billboard size images for portraits so I don't see a 21 mp advantage here either. Also portraits are usually lit or in good natural light, so high ISO's aren't a big deal.
Weddings and events are where the Canon shines. I've shot weddings with my Olympus using flash and outdoor ceremonies are captured beautifully with my E3. But when that pastor comes up to you in a church and says "no flash allowed" or when you are faced with a dark reception hall or conference centre for an event and you don't want all flash photography the usable ISO 6400 on the 5D mk II is wonderful. I still try and keep the 5D at ISO 3200 or lower as there is noise in the files, but that beats the heck out of the ISO 1250 limit I find acceptable on the E3. Having said all that, I really enjoy working with both a crop sensor and a full frame sensor camera in tandem at a wedding for different looks. I tend to shoot the 5D with natural light and the E3 with flash, so again, I get different looks. Should I ever move entirely away from Olympus I'm sure I'll keep one crop sensor camera, possibly the 7D or 1D mk IV.
I'm not the most well versed photographer with landscapes, birds, fashion, food or product and commercial photography so I won't pretend like I have all the answers as to the strengths and weaknesses of both systems for those types of photography. There are plenty of photographers out there that I'm sure can speak better on those subjects. For you HDR buffs out there though, in my humble opinion the exposure bracketing on the E3 is much better than the Canon. Canon doesn't seem to be that interested in HDR with the setup they have.
The Olympus doesn't do movies. The Canon does. This is going to be a deal breaker for some people but for me, honestly, I've turned on movie mode one time on the Canon just for giggles. It is clunky and not easy to use, but the quality is amazing. It's not my thing so there is no use me sharing my opinion about it.
The RAW files:
I've processed a lot of images from both cameras. I'm not a jpg shooter, I love RAW. I have heard that Olympus' jpg files are the best in the business, and that may be so, but frankly I don't care. I refuse to give up the latitude I get from shooting RAW. A few things I've noticed about each camera and working with their files:
The Olympus RAW files come out in Lightroom looking good by default for the most part, but not terribly sharp sometimes. There is never an issue with vignetting with any of the lenses I use. Noise becomes apparent at ISO 800, though very easily managed if so desired. The files quickly come apart at ISO 1600 and unless the image has been well lit, in my opinion ISO 1250 is the limit for good files from this camera even with noise reduction. There isn't a lot of latitude in the Olympus RAW files either. If you miss your exposure don't expect to be able to yank the exposure slider more than one stop if you are lucky in Lightroom and still get a good result. Being a 10 mp sensor, my iMac easily handles the images and I can move quickly when editing. I have printed easily 24 by 36 inch prints from my E3 files with amazing, detailed sellable results. I could print larger for sure.
The Canon RAW files are often kind of flat to my eye when I look at them at first. I do occasionally notice some vignetting in images. The file sizes are huge but my iMac handles them well except when it comes time to export them to Photoshop or for saving at which time things get noticeably slow. I also have to downsize the images when using some programs like my photo book designer for instance as it can't handle the large file size. The files up to ISO 1600 are really nice. At 3200 ISO you get a file that has noise but is easy to clean up if so desired. At ISO 6400 there is very apparent noise that can be cleaned up somewhat if you hit your exposure properly. This is nice as there are very few situations where I feel I can't handle the light and still get an image without using flash. I'm not in love with shooting at ISO 6400 though and want to avoid it if I can. I do tend to shoot at a higher ISO with the Canon just to keep my shutter speed up as the lenses I own do not have image stabilization. There is a great deal of latitude in the Canon files. In Lightroom I can positively abuse the files and still get a usable image. This is great as I'm not a purest when it comes to photo editing. Pixels are changed freely and without regret in my post processing workflow. I am glad however that I have a Drobo for storing those files as they would eat a hard drive in short order. My workflow is to dump the RAW files on my iMac hard drive, and when I'm done editing I then move them over from within Lightroom to my Drobo. I have considered lowering the quality size that I shoot at with the 5D mk II just to save room and speed up my post processing, but haven't so far. At this point I just don't need 21 megapixels.
So has adopting Canon saved me?
I think it is easy to feel inferior if you shoot with a brand that doesn't say Nikon or Canon in a world that is dominated by them. I have never once however had a bride or customer ask me about my camera brand in a way that would suggest they wouldn't hire me if I chose to shoot with a Sigma dslr. They just care about the end product. It is photographers that care about the name stencilled on their neck strap.
There have been a couple of huge disadvantages to me in shooting with two brands of camera. The biggest is that my gear bag is heavy as I have to carry two lens lineups to a job that can't be used interchangeably. That is a big problem and one that will likely ultimately see me pick up a second Canon body (or second Olympus body if Olympus ever gets off their collective butts and releases an E5). Also I'm very used to the E3 and can work it blindfolded. Adding another camera and a different brand to boot into the mix slows me down as they operate differently.
The move to Canon was important for me in a couple of respects. I need to be able to deliver a product to a client no matter the situation I'm in. If I am not allowed to use flash in a church I don't want to use that as an excuse not to deliver. And if a client wants to print a billboard sized print I'm happy that I shot with 21+ megapixels. The other thing that made me happy I bought into Canon was the assurance I had that Canon would continue to make products to support me. There is some genuine concern rolling around the internet that Olympus is going to dump their dslr production in favour of micro four thirds. I just can't afford to continue to buy $2500 Olympus lenses when I'm not sure if they are going to be usable in the long run.
All of the above is true for me. It might not be true for the next guy. Right now I'm very happy I'm a bi-brand shooter. I took a break from writing this (very long) blog entry to run out and shoot the Empire Days parade for the newspaper today. A quick glance outside showed that it was raining cats and dogs so I brought the E3. No rain bag necessary. I ran into another photographer shooting for a competing paper with a Nikon in a plastic bag. The rain was dripping off my lens hood. No problem, the camera was more comfortable than I was as my pants soaked through.
I sincerely hope that Olympus continues production of serious dslr's. There are some real advantages of the system and they aren't all about the weather sealing. Sometimes I enjoy the less shallow depth of field at larger apertures. I love that the lenses are all sharp right to the corners. I love that the natural crop of the four thirds sensor is closer to the most common enlargement print sizes like 5x7, 8x10 and 11x14. If they don't continue I imagine that I'll keep the E3 for my hobby photography and for rainy day assignments.
In the meantime, I am glad I started the switch. I know nearly 100% for sure that Canon will continue to support my growth as a photographic professional with new equipment as needed. I love being able to handle darkly lit situations and still get the image for my client. The Canon lenses are very good too. Not as good as your average Olympus lens, but very good none the less. And for all the size advantages we are promised with Olympus cameras and lenses, they don't really deliver as I find working with my Canon often to be lighter and less bulky. Go figure.
E3 image from parade today in the rain
I know I've rambled somewhat, and maybe lost focus and not answered the question about which camera is better, but that is really what is intriguing about this for me. In everyday working photographic use there is no clear winner here. These are tools, and no matter how much someone will get their knickers in a knot each system has it's uses where the other is frankly much weaker. Despite my love of photographic gear (I'm a confessed gear geek-a-holic) I feel I can relax with my current equipment and know that there are very few photographic situations that I could not handle. If you are a current Olympus shooter and want to know if I think you should switch to one of the big two brands I'll just say this: it has worked for me, and I'm happy where I'm at, but photography is an expensive habit and I don't think anyone should spend a dime until the camera they have will absolutely not do what they need it to do. Then, and only then is the time to switch, not simply when you are tired of being harassed by others because of the name brand around your neck.




39 comments:
Very good and detailed post you have there. I'm thinking of making my own observations too next time as I put both Nikon and Olympus cameras side by side. I love the SWD lenses and they work very well for what they are.
Your concluding sentences says it all. Good writeup.
I too, am a bi-system user, but in my case it happens to be an OM-System and the E-System. Frankly, though, this is no different than a few years ago when we all had 35mm and medium-format systems. You are using the E-system like we used 35mm and you're using the Canon like we used medium-format.
I agree with your assessment about DoF. When shooting a typical wedding--especially the formals, I'm struggling for MORE DoF, not less. I can always get less when I want it (see www.zone-10.com for examples), but getting more is the usual problem.
Thanks Brandon, I'd be very interested in hearing about your Nikon experiences.
Ken, I also have an OM system and enjoy it, but film for me is more of a slow contemplative photography. It takes me a couple of months to get through a roll. Your comparison to medium-format and 35mm is well stated, thanks for the comment.
Thanks for an excellent writeup. I'm an Olympus shooter, and the only one in my immediate circle of photography acquaintances, who (as you'd imagine) skew heavily Canikon. But you know what? I get the shot just like they do. I've been telling people for some time that any reasonably good camera from any reasonably major producer is likely to satisfy you unless your requirements are really, really, at the margins.
WOW! What a great write up! I truly enjoyed your non-fanboy approach to this article.
Its funny that your experience is nearly identical to mine. I had a panasonic FZ10 and loved it. I eventually got an L1 and still adore it to this date. (The L1 and Oly 50 ƒ2 are wonderful.) But after shooting my first wedding with it, I realized I needed something more robust and more expandable. Looked at the L10, but there was little improvement in image quality and not that robust. I ended up with an E3. I Still have the L1, a 420, and the E3. (I have an old Rebel, OMg, & RC35 too, but I don't really use them anymore.)
When shooting weddings in low light I too struggle with desires to go full frame, but can't bare the thought of loosing my weather sealed E3 and lenses, the sharpness of my Oly/PanaLeica glass, and being able to shoot at ƒ1.4 and ƒ2 with some reasonable DOF.
I'm anxiously waiting for the E5 (or whatever), but in the meantime I've considered a Kx as a low-light helper to the E3. I also believe these are tools, not moral/religious/political beliefs. There is no need to argue over something that says Made in China on the bottom.
Anyhoo, based on the results from the GH1 and EPL1, it looks like 4/3s is improving in the ISO category. Once I can get fully useable ISO1600 shots with 4/3s I'll be set.
-HM
I wouldn't pay too much attention to those rumors about Olympus abandoning the E-system. It's probably true for the low end bodies and lenses (after all, m43 will suit better those clients), but no way they'll abandon their high grade lineup.
The E-5 should be out in September, and I expect something like a 14MP sensor that takes good images at ISO 3200 (instead of 1250 current limit). Their lenses will always perform better than full-frame ones, unless these ones became 50% larger than they currently are (which would make them too big and way too expensive). Larger DoF is a plus most of the times (especially when the lenses are usable at f/2.0 when you want shallower).
With sensor improvements, in 5 years time high ISO won't be an issue, so the future of 4/3 seems might brighter than full-frame to me.
Thanks for the comments guys!
Had a job last night. I've noticed that with weddings lately I've been using my 5D mk II about 90% of the time and my E3 much less than ever before. But last night on the job I had very little use for the 5D and the E3 saved the day in some tough conditions.
Different tools for different jobs.
Thanks for the great post. I love reading the opinions of real working professionals. Keeps my gear lust in check.
I'm just a hobbyist, but recently upgraded from the E-510 to E-30 and I have a lot of the HG glass. I love the system, but like you I do wish it was a bit better at high ISO. Not that I have any intention of buying, but I keep looking at Nikon and Canon and realize the size of the cameras and lenses are just too big. The E-30 is already pushing it. The narrow dof always seems like an advantage until I read about what professionals think about it. If it's narrow enough for them, it should be good enough for me too. My next camera will probably be m4/3s just because I want/need something more compact.
Just curious, do you have the F2 SHG lenses? For the price of a FF body and a lens or two I can pretty much get those two lenses. It's only a stop, not as much as you are getting with your 5Dmk2, but seems like it would be a nice boost and keeps someone with a single brand. Do you think that's a bad choice?
Charles
I don't own any of the SHG lenses, except if the 8mm fisheye is one (can't remember, but I have that one). I have rented the 35-100 f2.0 lens and was pretty sure I was going to get it, but it was simply too heavy for me for a full day at weddings.
I think you'll find most people that do this for work don't buy things unless they need them for work. It is a question of "will this make me money?" People that have photography as a hobby are where the real money is for camera manufacturers. My favourite lens for the Olympus is by far the 25mm f1.4 Leica Summilux and that lens has made me money.
Thanks for a great article! I'm a E3 user and most of the time I love it. But from time to time I think, D700, 5D, 7D... Mostly for better low light performance and also for more pixels. But, I think I will hold on with my E3 for a while and see what the future will bring.
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Thanks for your thoughts. Yeah, it is awfully heavy. I also read Kirk Tuck's blog. He switched to Olympus a while back and picked up both lenses and posted a review on The Online Photographer recently and has been raving about both for many of the reasons you bring up in your blog. (Large aperture but still sharp allows for more DoF and a lower ISO)
I guess you are using primes on Canon. I really wish Olympus would put out a range of fast primes too.
I also have the Panasonic 25mm f/1.4 and it's probably my most used lens followed by the 7-14mm. I'm still not very good with it, but I love wide angle.
Charles
Kirk Tuck is one of my favourite photographers that blog as well. If anyone is interested he can be found here: http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/
For me, while I agree that the 35-100 is a great lens, it is just too heavy for wedding work, which are often 14 hour days for me. Kirk does commercial work and events for the most part. I would love to own the 35-100 but I'm not convinced I could make the money back on portraits and events for the investment, at least fast enough to have made it worth while. Especially considering I have lenses that do the job now.
Yes, I think my Canon system will be largely primes when it fills out, and I do think Olympus needs to work on developing more fast, light primes.
Hmmm...liked the post...but just a quibble. I use the E-3, and shoot in low light at ISO 1600...a lot.
Maybe I'm blind , but I just don't see the noise issues you mention in your piece. I'm very happy with how my shots look...actually seem to be less noisy than the shoots I took at the same ISO with my old M8....
And I do love the built-in image stabilization. It has allowed me to get shots I couldn't have got in the old days of my film cameras....
Just remember I stated that these observations were true for me, and may not be for others. ISO 1600 on the E3 is OK if you are shooting in a well lit environment, which I'm often not if I'm shooting at higher ISO's. For me I see ugly blotchy noise at ISO 1600 on the E3. I know other photographers that use ISO 1600 regularly on the E3, not just you so great for them, but it isn't an attractive noise at that level to my eye and the Canon noise at ISO 6400 is more pleasant in my opinion.
Well, when all else fails, there's always Noise Ninja....:-)
Hi
nice to read anothers experiences. I'm a Panasonic micro 4/3 + EOS full frame person. I'd be interested to know more about your depth of field experiences as mine suggest that using a focal length of 100mm on the full frame vs 50mm on the 4/3 camera that I prefer the full frame. Once one goes a little more telephoto then the larger frame has fewer advantages (in my usage). Not sure if you've considered it, but as the DoF between the two systems equates to about 2 stops, to get a reasonably shallow DoF (nothing too shallow as to make only part of a face in focus) with something telephoto (say 200mm full frame) you need 5.6 or so on the full frame + 200mm while with the 4/3 f2.8 will get you about the same look.
this means that with the full frame you'll be needing your 3200ISO while you can keep 800ISO on the 4/3 camera.
Perhaps you just need some faster lenses for your 4/3 system?
I've been using quite a few older manual focus lenses from the OM and FD range on my 4/3 camera with great success ...
why do I like the 5D then? Wide and normal focal lengths look much nicer to my eyes on the full frame than the 4/3
nice blog ...
Obakesan
Of course you are right, the full frame has a shallower depth of feild (I said that in my blog post right?), and sometimes that is good, sometimes that is bad. Like you said it means that on the full frame you occasionally have to jump your ISO to keep the aperture smaller at say 5.6 as compared to 2.8.
I have an f.14 lens for the 4/3rds mount. :) It is wonderful and yes it gives a very shallow depth of field.
Neil
sorry if I gave the impression I was correcting you, I was intending to augment what you said, not discredit it.
yes, you did mention DoF was shallower on the full frame. I was going to say (but somehow omitted it) that while the 4/3 will give a wider DoF for a given aperture it somehow seems to give me less contrast for the same DoF. Naturally this can be fixed to some extent in photoshop, but for some reason I normally like the look of my 100mm at 2.8 on a 5D but somehow don't like the 50mm f1.4 look on the 4/3
An area where the G1 shines over the other 4/3 is the ability to use live view all the time (in the viewfinder) to nail focus. This is something I lament on the 5D as sometimes the AF is not exactly where you wanted it to be ... more of a show stopper working in closer with very shallow depth of field.
I don't see why people need to have one or the other. I find that each format has its strengths and advantages. I presently use 4/3, full frame, 6x9 and 4x5 formats each for different things ... I don't think I would like to relinquish any of them to favour only one. However my 4/3 does 70% or more of my stuff.
Obakeson
Thanks so much for your comments. I never thought you were attempting to discredit me. I agree having two formats lends itself well to a photographer wanting well rounded gear and each does have it's strength. Last night I used the 5D ml II in a situation where the E3 would not have been the best choice and yet my assignment before that the E 3 was the more useful tool.
I guess that was the whole point of my blog post. Each camera or sensor format excels in some area.
Again thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
Folks need to take into account DOF/ISO differences between full frame and something closer to half frame. The Oly can be shot at F2 ISO 800 and maintain a DOF and noise level that will equal the Canon Full frame shot at F 2.8 and 1600 under the same lighting conditions. Though I own a 5D I must admit for what I shoot obtaining enough DOF is harder than getting shallow DOF.
It is true Michael that sometimes getting enough DOF, or enough in focus can be a challenge. I think we all get addicted to shallow depth of field and full frame helps with that, but truthfully for most real life photography it is important to have a certain amount of focus in some of our images and it can be a challenge to do so without raising up our ISO really high on a full frame camera.
Thanks for commenting.
what a great read! as a total amateur, i am still so stunned by the consistent quality of digital images (as compared to what i used to create with film) that i haven't seen any reason to form a brand alliance. i jumped in with a used d40 so that i wouldn't feel too "attached," you know? i think that the comfort factor is so important - it's really about eye to hand coordination, in so many ways. thanks for giving me so much (more!) to think about!
Glad you liked it, and thanks for your comment.
Hello, Thanks for this blog from a person who is in sort of agonic dilemma should he chose Olympus E-5 or Canon EOS 5D Mark 2. I was almost displeased with Canon EOS 5D Mark 1 when comparing it to Olympus E-1, Canon's poor build quality, no self-sensor cleaning, sensor not easy to clean, dust in viewfinder one cannot remove, plastic focusing screen, optical image quality compromises in Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM, etc. I personally trust Olympus but not so much Canon. Canon is FF and Olympus 4/3. When I decide for Olympus E-5 I have second thoughts that I will be stuck with small sensor 'forever', when I decide for Canon EOS 5D Mark 2 I am afraid that I might be disappointed again. I have a feeling now that the main advantage of me having Canon 5D rather than Olympus E-1 is in people thinking that I have a 'good' camera. Maybe if I can afford good Canon FF prime lense, say, Canon EF 50mm f1.2 L USM, I would be happy with Canon EOS 5D Mark 2. I like portraiture and have a feeling that Olympus E-5 with a good prime lens, say, Panasonic 25mm f1.4 Leica D Summilux, would give me more pleasure. Is there a simple answer to my Olympus E-5 vs Canon EOS 5D Mark 2 dilemma? Thanks. Regards, Robert.
I'm not sure there are easy answers to your dilemma. I wish everyone could have the luxury of owning both cameras like I do, but that isn't possible I know. If you are considering Canon and would like a killer portrait lens for less money than the 50mm f1.2, check out the 85mm f1.8. Much less money, faster focusing than the 851.2 and a really nice lens.
Frankly sticking with Olympus is a gamble, and one that I'm feeling too. Olympus hasn't done a good job of reassuring us with the E5 being pretty much a warmed over E3 and with an announcement that they are discontinuing creating new lenses for four thirds.
What I can tell you for sure is that either camera is very good. So long as you are not a high ISO photographer, then if you are financially invested in Olympus I'd suggest you stay there. Like you suggest, going Canon might be more about the name brand than the actual performance of the system.
Thanks for your answer Neil. It would seem that Canon EOS 5D Mark II is preferable rational choice. I will consider the following lenses: Canon EF 50mm f1.2 L USM (my dearest wish for Canon), Sigma 85mm f1.4 EX DG HSM, Sigma 50mm f1.4 EX DG HSM and Canon EF 85mm f1.8 USM, for macro Sigma 105mm f2.8 EX DG Macro. In my heart I still wonder how it would be with Olympus E-5 and Panasonic 25mm f1.4 Leica D Summilux. Kind regards, Robert. P.S. Currently we use Olympus E-1 and Canon EOS 5D Mark I. My wife is 'pursing' Canon, which I know is probably the best rational choice, but my heart simply can't stop thinking of Olympus. We will most likely go for Canon.
Thank you for your detailed review. I also support your comment about the low light advantage that canon 5d has over the oly system. The 5D delivers beautiful landscape and night photos. I think that the oly wireless flash system is better specially for macro photography. I am the owner of a 5D and an E-520 and will probably buy an E-5 very soon. Thank you again for sharing your experience.
Thanks for your comment clf. Appreciate you dropping by!
I couldn't have said it better, I myself have been using the E-3 since 2008 like you my only complaint is its low-light shooting capabilities.
I am currently researching to get a second camera with a full-frame sensor and I'm leaning towards the Nikon D700 at the moment.
Adi,
Thanks for dropping by. The D700 is a fine camera, I'd love to play with one someday. Are you planning on purchasing the E5?
There are pros and cons for any system you choose.
The Olympus E-5 and Zuiko HG and SHG lenses is an optimised digital system.
Despite the smaller image sensor you are able to achieve image quality that is equal to or better than the best APS-C systems and even compete with some of the lower resolution 35mm offerings at lower ISOs.
The weaker LPF and the new True Pic V+ image processing engine makes a huge difference when compared to images taken with the E-3.
I use the E-5 with the 12-60mm, 50-200mm SWDs and the 50mm macro as a travel kit.
There are many considerations when purchasing a DSLR. For me, durability, portability, build quality, colour accuracy, functionality: articulating screen, isib, dust reduction are the main features that attracted me to the system.
BTW, the AF on the 5D MkII is nothing special. Much worse than the E-5 and even an E-3. It performs like something out of the 90s... One centre cross focus point and the other 8 single points jammed around the centre of a large view finder...Less than 4fps... To bad if you like to shoot subjects at the edge of the frame.
Very good and detailed post you have there. But Canon 5D Mark 2 most powerful
Hi Neil, great comparisons here. I shoot Olympus and have an E3. I'm curious about your super high ISOs; have you ever noticed that the noise above 1600 seems to run primarily horizontal? Almost like very faint stripes through the image? I thought my sensor was dirty but no.
I'm shooting my first wedding in two weeks and I'm pretty confident in my gear, (I'll be relying on my 50mm to get me through). It's low-key, no church involved.
My first exciting camera (meaning one I got excited about) was a Canon. I only got into Olympus because as a fledgling I got a really superb deal on an E500 kit. Since then I've done all I could to champion Olympus. I always end up rooting for the underdogs.
When it comes time to expand my gear bag, I'll probably consider Canon again. Unless you've reviewed the E5 since its launch?
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Hi Alison
Thanks for dropping by the blog.
I'm a bit like you and generally root for the underdog but here are a couple things to consider, just like I did.
Olympus is a company that has my heart, for good reason or not. Putting that aside, I'm running a business and I had to consider if they were really in it to support me as a professional. When choosing a camera that spoke to my heart I went Olympus (though as I mentioned here in this post there are some compelling logical reasons Olympus is better) but when choosing with my brain I chose Canon. Nikon would have been another good choice (and maybe Leica if I had more money). I know absolutely that Canon is going to support me as a professional. No question. Olympus seems more interested in forcing me to use a micro four thirds camera with no built in viewfinder.
I've recently purchased a 7D from Canon. I like it in build quality and in my hands much better than the 5DmkII, but having said that I think it is as noisy as the Olympus cameras and the focus is unreliable though I'm trying to figure that out. I'll keep it because I don't want to carry two sets of lenses from two different companies.
If you are doing this for a living, then remember, whether it is Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax or Olympus you have to choose based on which company will absolutely meet your needs and be there for you when you need them. They also must continually develop the tools you need so you can keep up in this quickly changing field. We don't buy gear for fun, we buy it for function. We need gear that will help us do our job.
Having said all that, I know that I will one day be adding an Olympus E5 to my camera cupboard. Not because I need one, but because I want one. But it will be a while because that is fun money, not work money. Not a necessity.
Don't put your business at risk to simply cheer for the underdog. I've made that mistake, and it's expensive. Believe me, I'm a huge Olympus fan, but that's the reality.
Keep that camera though, you'll regret selling it like I regret selling my L1.
Thanks for leaving the comment!
Dear Neil, it's been a fun reading your post, as I myself used both system respectively, ...for the same reason as you would brought your topic.
You'd mention in your post that you brought a pair of lenses for each system, could you describe what did you have in your camera bag, and detailed why did you pick the arrangement.
Thank you
hi joesoefgraphy:
thanks for popping by. I haven't been carrying both systems for a while now on the job so I'll have to dig from my memory, but I had mostly wide angle lenses for my 5DmkII and longer lenses for the E3 which takes advantage of the natural aspects of both cameras. 50-200, Leica 25mm (I just love that lens), fisheye, 35mm macro for the Olympus (I mostly used the 50-200) and 24-70, 50mm 1.4, 20mm 2.8 for the Canon at that time.
Now at weddings I'm all Canon with the 7D and 5DmkII. It was too hard to carry two different sets of lenses. I now have the Canon lenses mentioned above plus the 135mm f2.0 (love this lens), an 85mm f1.8. If the weather looks poor and we are doing an outdoor ceremony I bring the Olympus camera and the 50-200 which I'll use outside if it rains and leave the Canons hidden in a bag with a rain cover.
I recently picked up the Olympus E5 and must say it is the equal to the 7D in most ways and is a fine camera. Loving it very much, and I'm sure I'll write about it here soon enough.
Thanks again for dropping by
What a great article! I use an E5 and for the most part, the pictures are remarkable. It is is true regarding noise. You can only recover about 1 stop if the eposure is wrong.
I hate Olympus now for dumping the four thirds system. Now I have a bunchg of lenses I cannot use in the future. This is what I get for taking the path less followed.
Hello Canon and Nikon.
Hey Product Photography Toronto
Thanks for dropping by the blog. I picked up an E5 despite knowing the format was dying and I love it. Of course I shoot Canon mostly professionally, but the E5 and your lenses should be capable for years to come so I wouldn't sweat it.
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